In this episode of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper sit down with longtime pastor and ministry leader Bobby Gilley and his grandson, Pastor Adrian Franklin of South Gastonia Church of God.

After nearly 30 years of pastoring the same congregation, Reverend Bobby shares lessons learned through decades of ministry, including the moment God reminded him that the church wasn't his "wagon to pull." His assignment was much simpler: preach, pray, and love, and trust God with the rest.

Pastor Adrian shares what it has been like to follow his grandfather as pastor, honor the legacy of previous generations, find his own pastoral voice, and lead a multigenerational church into the future.

The conversation also explores the loneliness of leadership, building trust through longevity and love, resisting comparison, persevering when ministry gets difficult, and staying faithful to God's calling.

Whether you're beginning your ministry or have served for decades, this episode is a powerful reminder: the church belongs to God. Be faithful with what He's placed in your hands and trust Him with the results.

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They share the story of their son, Mikey, who rededicated his life to Christ while serving alongside his father on a mission trip to Ecuador. What followed was a remarkable transformation as Mikey began sharing his faith and reaching people who had little or no connection to the church. His desire to reach others was captured in one simple request: “Can we do just one more?”

Months later, Mikey was tragically killed in a car accident. As Mike and Jamil walked through unimaginable grief, they began discovering just how many lives their son had quietly impacted, and how his testimony continues to point people toward Jesus.

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In this deeply personal episode of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper sit down with Pastor Chad Smith of The Pointe Church in Toccoa, Georgia. What begins as a conversation about church growth and pastoral succession quickly becomes a remarkable testimony of God's relentless grace and restoring power.

Pastor Chad shares the story of a moral failure that led him out of ministry, nearly destroyed his marriage, and left him convinced that God could never use him again. But through the faithfulness of his wife, the prayers of his daughter, and the mercy of God, a new chapter began.

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Together, they talk candidly about what it looks like to stay healthy in a 24/7 calling; how they unwind, how they protect marriage and family time, and how they’ve learned to embrace the different seasons of ministry life.

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Gary, Loran, Mark, and David discuss a wide number of topics, including:

Surviving burnout in ministry
Navigating pain at home while leading
Long-term pastoral health & boundaries
Loving your city back to life

Plus, an incredible story from Pastor Billy Humphrey, founder of City of Refuge Baltimore, who went from poverty to purpose — and is now transforming his neighborhood with the hope of Jesus.

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