{"version":"https://jsonfeed.org/version/1","title":"Between Sundays","home_page_url":"https://betweensundays.fireside.fm","feed_url":"https://betweensundays.fireside.fm/json","description":"Join Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper for candid, transparent conversations about life in ministry. This is more than sermons and church services—it's the real work of pastoring, the challenges and triumphs, the heart and soul of ministry that happens between Sundays.","_fireside":{"subtitle":"Offstage Conversations About Real Life and Ministry ","pubdate":"2025-07-12T00:00:00.000-04:00","explicit":false,"owner":"Church of God","image":"https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/2/295602fc-2765-421d-b5ca-92aac023f4ef/cover.jpg?v=1"},"items":[{"id":"fd475c7d-56eb-4a30-865a-0c22d252f4eb","title":"Episode 9: Cut the Grass: The Power of Small Things in Ministry","url":"https://betweensundays.fireside.fm/9","content_text":"In this heartfelt and humorous episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Demetrius Presley joins the hosts to share his journey as the leader of the 910 Livingston Street Church of God in downtown Orlando. From taking the reins of a 100-year-old legacy church during COVID to pastoring with authenticity in a rapidly changing culture, Pastor Presley opens up about the power of consistency, the challenge of bivocational ministry, and the importance of simply being who God called you to be. \n\nThe team also dives into the realities of burnout, generational leadership, and the sacred responsibility of stewarding God’s house and His people. This episode is packed with wisdom, laughs, and a reminder that sometimes, ministry starts with just cutting the grass.\n\nGet more information about Pastor Pressley and 9-10 Livingston Church of God HERE","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this heartfelt and humorous episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Demetrius Presley joins the hosts to share his journey as the leader of the 910 Livingston Street Church of God in downtown Orlando. From taking the reins of a 100-year-old legacy church during COVID to pastoring with authenticity in a rapidly changing culture, Pastor Presley opens up about the power of consistency, the challenge of bivocational ministry, and the importance of simply being who God called you to be. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThe team also dives into the realities of burnout, generational leadership, and the sacred responsibility of stewarding God’s house and His people. This episode is packed with wisdom, laughs, and a reminder that sometimes, ministry starts with just cutting the grass.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eGet more information about Pastor Pressley and 9-10 Livingston Church of God \u003ca href=\"https://nine10church.online/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eHERE\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In each episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper engage in honest conversations about the challenges and triumphs of ministry. 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The hosts discuss the realities of bivocational ministry, small beginnings, setbacks, and how God uses what's in our hands to bring transformation. If you've ever felt the call to plant a church, or just wondered if it's possible, this episode will challenge and encourage you to take the first step.\n\nLearn More about Renewal Church HERE.\n\nLean More about the Ministry of Evangelism HERE.\n\nWatch Full Episodes of the Between Sunday's Podcast HERE.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this powerful episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Josue Collins shares the inspiring journey of launching a church in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. What began with simple conversations over coffee and soccer games became a Spirit-led movement of renewal, rooted in community and sustained by calling. The hosts discuss the realities of bivocational ministry, small beginnings, setbacks, and how God uses what\u0026#39;s in our hands to bring transformation. If you\u0026#39;ve ever felt the call to plant a church, or just wondered if it\u0026#39;s possible, this episode will challenge and encourage you to take the first step.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLearn More about Renewal Church \u003ca href=\"https://www.renewalftl.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eHERE.\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eLean More about the Ministry of Evangelism \u003ca href=\"https://www.cogmoe.org/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eHERE.\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWatch Full Episodes of the Between Sunday\u0026#39;s Podcast \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@COGHQ\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eHERE.\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In each episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper engage in honest conversations about the challenges and triumphs of ministry. 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From the call that led her and her husband from Toronto to Evanston, Illinois, to the unimaginable tragedy that changed everything, Pastor Howard speaks with grace and clarity about the cost—and power—of saying “yes” to God.\n\nIf you’ve ever wondered how to keep going when life takes a turn you never saw coming, Pastor Howard’s story will leave you inspired and reminded that God’s plans are good—even when the path is hard.\n\nWatch Full Episodes of Between Sundays @COGHQ YouTube","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this profoundly moving episode of Between Sundays, Pastor Caleen Howard shares her extraordinary journey of faith, obedience, and resilience. From the call that led her and her husband from Toronto to Evanston, Illinois, to the unimaginable tragedy that changed everything, Pastor Howard speaks with grace and clarity about the cost—and power—of saying “yes” to God.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you’ve ever wondered how to keep going when life takes a turn you never saw coming, Pastor Howard’s story will leave you inspired and reminded that God’s plans are good—even when the path is hard.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWatch Full Episodes of Between Sundays \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@COGHQ\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e@COGHQ YouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In each episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper have an honest conversation about the challenges and triumphs of ministry. 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You'll hear testimonies, including how teaching stewardship has transformed churches, the importance of transparency in church finances, and how giving can free individuals from fear and selfishness. \n\nThis episode also addresses the challenges pastors face in preaching about giving and provides practical advice on inspiring a culture of generosity without fear or manipulation.\n\nWatch Full Episodes of Between Sundays @COGHQ YouTube\n\nbetweensundays\n\npodcast","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eBetween Sundays Podcast - Episode 5: The Power of Generosity\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eListen to candid conversations about stewardship, generosity, and the transformative power of giving in ministry. You\u0026#39;ll hear testimonies, including how teaching stewardship has transformed churches, the importance of transparency in church finances, and how giving can free individuals from fear and selfishness. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eThis episode also addresses the challenges pastors face in preaching about giving and provides practical advice on inspiring a culture of generosity without fear or manipulation.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWatch Full Episodes of Between Sundays \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@COGHQ\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e@COGHQ YouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003ch1\u003ebetweensundays\u003c/h1\u003e\n\n\u003ch1\u003epodcast\u003c/h1\u003e","summary":"In each episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper have an honest conversation about the challenges and triumphs of ministry. 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From laughter-filled stories about road trip mishaps to deeply personal reflections on burnout, mental health, and calling, this episode is a masterclass in pastoral resilience and authenticity.\n\nWhether you're in a season of harvest or hardship, this episode will encourage you to stay the course, remember your calling, and never lose sight of the One you're following.\n\nIf you are feeling alone or depressed, please talk to someone at the Center for Ministerial Care","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this special live episode of Between Sundays, recorded at the We Gather event in Dallas, Texas, our hosts—Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper—sit down with a room full of ministers and spouses for a powerful, honest conversation about life in ministry.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWith wisdom drawn from decades of experience, they share insights on staying spiritually refreshed, avoiding the trap of comparison, leading through hard seasons, and embracing the sacred weight of the calling. From laughter-filled stories about road trip mishaps to deeply personal reflections on burnout, mental health, and calling, this episode is a masterclass in pastoral resilience and authenticity.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWhether you\u0026#39;re in a season of harvest or hardship, this episode will encourage you to stay the course, remember your calling, and never lose sight of the One you\u0026#39;re following.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIf you are feeling alone or depressed, please talk to someone at the \u003ca href=\"https://www.centerforministerialcare.com/\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eCenter for Ministerial Care\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In each episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper have an honest conversation about the challenges and triumphs of ministry. 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Whether you're leading a congregation of 19 or 1,900, this conversation is a heartfelt reminder that faithfulness, not fame, is the measure of true success in ministry.\n\nWatch Full Episodes of Between Sundays @COGHQ YouTube","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eIn this powerful episode of Between Sundays, our hosts discuss the value and impact of long-term pastoral ministry. With nearly a century of combined experience in the same pulpits, these leaders open up about the blessings and challenges of staying rooted in one place. From reflections on spiritual passion and shepherding God’s people to avoiding the trap of celebrity culture in ministry, this episode is full of wisdom for pastors at any stage of their journey. Whether you\u0026#39;re leading a congregation of 19 or 1,900, this conversation is a heartfelt reminder that faithfulness, not fame, is the measure of true success in ministry.\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eWatch Full Episodes of Between Sundays \u003ca href=\"https://www.youtube.com/@COGHQ\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003e@COGHQ YouTube\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In each episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper have an honest conversation about the challenges and triumphs of ministry. They share wisdom, personal stories, and encouragement for pastors navigating their calling.","date_published":"2025-04-10T13:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/295602fc-2765-421d-b5ca-92aac023f4ef/e63459ac-3ed3-4106-9729-683cb6b64a2b.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":78306755,"duration_in_seconds":3209}]},{"id":"f4c0f46c-cee8-4930-9288-0655f2138435","title":"Episode 2: The Call to Preach","url":"https://betweensundays.fireside.fm/2","content_text":"Episode 2: The Call to Preach\n\nIn Episode 2 of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper dive into the sacred call of preaching. They explore the anointing that sets true preaching apart, sharing personal stories—like Livingston’s time with Billy Graham and Cooper’s defining call from God. The conversation tackles the balance of preparation and spontaneity, the \"inescapable call\" to preach, and the need for a revival of authentic gospel proclamation in today’s culture. \n\nWePreach Conference\n\nCentral Church in Charlotte, North Carolina \n2026: Dates Coming Soon \n\nListen to The Anointing Makes the Difference ","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eEpisode 2: The Call to Preach\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn Episode 2 of Between Sundays, Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper dive into the sacred call of preaching. They explore the anointing that sets true preaching apart, sharing personal stories—like Livingston’s time with Billy Graham and Cooper’s defining call from God. The conversation tackles the balance of preparation and spontaneity, the \u0026quot;inescapable call\u0026quot; to preach, and the need for a revival of authentic gospel proclamation in today’s culture. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003ch1\u003eWePreach Conference\u003c/h1\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eCentral Church in Charlotte, North Carolina \u003cbr\u003e\n2026: Dates Coming Soon \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eListen to \u003cstrong\u003e\u003cem\u003e\u003ca href=\"https://youtu.be/0TPKuUvFmCk\" rel=\"nofollow\"\u003eThe Anointing Makes the Difference \u003c/a\u003e\u003c/em\u003e\u003c/strong\u003e\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In each episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper have an honest conversation about the challenges and triumphs of ministry. They share wisdom, personal stories, and encouragement for pastors navigating their calling.","date_published":"2025-03-27T12:15:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/295602fc-2765-421d-b5ca-92aac023f4ef/f4c0f46c-cee8-4930-9288-0655f2138435.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":98694286,"duration_in_seconds":3953}]},{"id":"b0a3959d-449f-4c50-aa4f-c88e52b92206","title":"Episode 1: The Calling, The Challenges, and The Journey ","url":"https://betweensundays.fireside.fm/1","content_text":"Episode 1: The Calling, The Challenges, and The Journey\n\nIn this debut episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston and David Cooper have an authentic conversation about the realities of life in ministry. They discuss the challenges of following a legacy leader, the significance of small beginnings, and the faithfulness required to navigate the ups and downs of pastoral life. With personal stories of stepping into the unknown, trusting God's provision, and staying committed to the call, this episode offers wisdom and encouragement for pastors and leaders at every stage of ministry. \n\nTune in for powerful insights, real-life experiences, and a reminder that true success in ministry is measured not by numbers, but by faithfulness to God's calling.","content_html":"\u003cp\u003eEpisode 1: The Calling, The Challenges, and The Journey\u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eIn this debut episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston and David Cooper have an authentic conversation about the realities of life in ministry. They discuss the challenges of following a legacy leader, the significance of small beginnings, and the faithfulness required to navigate the ups and downs of pastoral life. With personal stories of stepping into the unknown, trusting God\u0026#39;s provision, and staying committed to the call, this episode offers wisdom and encouragement for pastors and leaders at every stage of ministry. \u003c/p\u003e\n\n\u003cp\u003eTune in for powerful insights, real-life experiences, and a reminder that true success in ministry is measured not by numbers, but by faithfulness to God\u0026#39;s calling.\u003c/p\u003e","summary":"In Each episode of Between Sundays, hosts Gary Lewis, Mark Williams, Loran Livingston, and David Cooper have an honest conversation about the challenges and triumphs of ministry. They share wisdom, personal stories, and encouragement for pastors navigating their calling.","date_published":"2025-03-19T19:00:00.000-04:00","attachments":[{"url":"https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/295602fc-2765-421d-b5ca-92aac023f4ef/b0a3959d-449f-4c50-aa4f-c88e52b92206.mp3","mime_type":"audio/mpeg","size_in_bytes":89932290,"duration_in_seconds":3603}]}]}